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Post by brokers on Sept 11, 2021 14:43:13 GMT
The current system for government orders has a large flaw, they are too big, they are something only a small number of the current player base can participate in the bidding, and an even smaller number of those that participate in the fulfillment of these large government orders and share in the rewards while excluding smaller companies. I offer a solution to this with a proposal for “small government orders”, every week along with the large Government orders there will be a series of smaller contracts up for bid reserved for those below a certain company value. The benefit to this is more engagement for smaller companies that can not participate in the current weekly government orders, it will also give smaller companies a way to learn about the world of contract bidding without the risk of losing millions of dollars. In closing this system will give smaller players more to look forward to and a way to compete and cooperate more directly with players they normally wouldn't have contact with and add another element of strategy for players at several different levels of play.
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Post by waltdisney on Sept 12, 2021 13:44:55 GMT
Dear all,
I believe Brokers makes an excellent point. I have experience in GOs before when it came out 2 years ago, and it is a very fun concept which I wish that all can enjoy. Depending on the GO, many items are being supplied by players of all sizes. However, not many people can bid on this until they reach a certain size. As more players join the game, there will be more players who have lower CV and this will be something fun for a much larger player base compared to just the top 5% of players.
I suggest that GOs are broken into different levels (National Level, District Level, and Municipal Level) with municipal being the smallest. As there are 3 GOs every week, I suggest a different setup as you can see below:
3 National Level GOs 5 District Level GOs 10 Municipal Level GOs
This will also be fun as it engages players in multiple levels and it lets players be more intelligent in gathering information to help profit from the GOs.
This is also realistic because not all contracts are done on a national level. There are many smaller contracts as well depending on how the government structure is like.
Best Regards, [Ex] Walt Disney Conglomerate Inc.
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Post by clarkyltd on Sept 12, 2021 20:52:50 GMT
+1 GO's are uninteresting in their current form.
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Post by brokers on Sept 13, 2021 21:49:44 GMT
Thanks for the input and details, Disney. I definitely like where you are going with the government contracts for cities and towns outside of the national contracts, definitely a good way to frame it for realism as well as fun game design
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Post by theceo on Sept 14, 2021 14:27:15 GMT
In my opinion, smaller players can also benefit from GOs as they can supply the bidding winner, but I have to admit that this isn't as fun as bidding for ourselves and fullfuling that contract. My company, for example, is a medium sized company and until now I've never won any GO bidding because either it was too big for me or I was afraid of losing millions and bid an extremely high value.
I think that Disney's idea could be very beneficial as it could include more players on GO fun, without having to stop big players from also doing it.
My only concern is: will there be a level cap to participate in municipal and district level orders? I ask that because bigger players could still win all of them, leaving the smaller players out of the fun again....
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Post by mightymoo on Sept 14, 2021 14:38:51 GMT
I like that the GOs are for larger companies - it gives younger and mid-size companies a goal to strive for. Small & mid companies benefit as it increases demand for the items. It also allows players the opportunity to learn a bit before bidding - open them up to everyone and the consequences could be harsh for new players.
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Post by semperfi on Sept 14, 2021 15:09:21 GMT
I like that the GOs are for larger companies - it gives younger and mid-size companies a goal to strive for. Small & mid companies benefit as it increases demand for the items. It also allows players the opportunity to learn a bit before bidding - open them up to everyone and the consequences could be harsh for new players. That can easily be handled by offering a variety of GOs of differing sizes, and/or limiting those orders by company size. Sort of like how governments specially aim some contracts for SMB and minority owned companies here in the U.S.
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Post by brokers on Sept 16, 2021 0:54:54 GMT
I like that the GOs are for larger companies - it gives younger and mid-size companies a goal to strive for. Small & mid companies benefit as it increases demand for the items. It also allows players the opportunity to learn a bit before bidding - open them up to everyone and the consequences could be harsh for new players. That would be handled by segmenting the orders by company value. The most basic would be 3 tiers (likely many more than that but as an example)based either On ranking (I.e top 1000 current GO’s, 1000-5000 medium GO, everyone else in small GO) or based on cv (I.e small GO 0-50M, medium GO 50M-500M, large GO 500M-1B+) it's not perfect and would need to be worked out but this method would still allow for players to strive for larger go, and btw the current system sees the same 10-20 people every week with maybe 1-2 newcomers. I can't tell you how many times I've seen NEO win or place as second in the bidding for GO’s in my nearly 8 months of playing, it's so common that if I don't see him in the top 10 in at least 1 contract I'm shocked. Surely that's just as big a problem as not giving players something to strive for. You could also lock the Baseline at 50-100 million minimum to combat people not understanding what they are getting into, it just seems like the current system was designed for a much smaller player base and is not very inclusive even at the top levels of play.
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Post by waltdisney on Sept 16, 2021 1:02:36 GMT
We can lower the municipal level a bit to be a bit more micro.
Municipal : 15 - 35m District : 35 - 80m National - 80m ++
This will cater to a vast majority of players and will be more fun for all of us. Many people will supply the GO and many people will bid as well.
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Post by brokers on Sept 16, 2021 1:08:33 GMT
We can lower the municipal level a bit to be a bit more micro. Municipal : 15 - 35m District : 35 - 80m National - 80m ++ This will cater to a vast majority of players and will be more fun for all of us. Many people will supply the GO and many people will bid as well. I had thought of that but it seems like a chasm between 80M+ considering it would be 80M+ bidding against 1b+ at that level, it would still be much better than the current system though so I can't complain if that's the idea that wins out. Another idea to combat supply issues that others have brought up is making the smaller contracts for food and other items that are rarely seen in the current GOs, this wouldn't spread the supply lines so thin and diversify the benefits seen from GOs to all sectors.
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Post by waltdisney on Sept 16, 2021 9:41:01 GMT
That’s true! I didn’t really know what to do with 80m above but I think it would be fine. For the smaller GOs, I think it should not be like a BFR or anything of that scale because I don’t think a little municipal project would require a rocket. They would need food, power, water and just smaller stuff. For the district level, it would be a mixed of both but still not rockets and the like.
We could increase the range of the district level to reach maybe 100m instead??
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Post by semperfi on Sept 16, 2021 21:14:47 GMT
I think this idea has legs.
I wouldn't think it difficult to implement (on a relative scale of things).
I've avoided GOs all this time because of their scale and distraction it brings to my core focus. But, smaller ones might be interesting to take on.
HOWEVER, I'm probably sized out of those small ones. Would it make sense to have some overlap in these segments vs sharp step function?
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Post by brokers on Sept 17, 2021 0:13:03 GMT
It depends, I think the current GOs are properly sized for the top 200-500 players beyond that I’m not sure you can really get your foot in the door. There wouldn’t be a good way for overlap because then you fall into larger companies just using the smaller GOs as a way to make relatively low Risk money. Perhaps you can add large and small orders for each level, for small it’s just within reach of doing for the tier below, and for large it would be the size that most in the current tier can handle. Obviously everything would be segmented by rank or cv so no one too big or too small bids on a go not meant for them
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Post by mightymoo on Sept 17, 2021 0:43:17 GMT
Again, my point is "I like that the GOs are for larger companies - it gives younger and mid-size companies a goal to strive for." - there are 19-20,000 players in the game - and growing. If you open it up to everyone then it loses it's specialness. It becomes a participation trophy, not a reward for growing. Not everything needs to cater to players of all levels. That's the incentive to grow - and also a protection for new businesses.
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Post by waltdisney on Sept 17, 2021 9:30:11 GMT
It could definitely be overlapping on certain things. Not sure what the sharp function is but I’m sure the concept would work.
Although the thought that it is an incentive for small players to grow bigger, not everyone views it that way. People naturally want to try and as this game is really a business, player retention statistics should be checked. Not everyone wants to play until they can afford a steep “incentive” if they just had the mindset to try it.
The idea here is to make things interesting even early on so it is more on fun to increase probability of player retention rates and also adding some realism. It tries to increases player participation rates in events like this and increases community building, which in turn, also increases player retention rates.
More players and higher player retention rates = more income from players in Patrik’s point of view. More income can be used for updates and etc..
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